From The Oatmeal.
Funny how these discussions always end up talking about the devil, since you know, he’s not even a character in the Bible.
One answer to the whole “why does God allow suffering?” question that I’ve found the most appealing: What was there before creation? Chaos. And right after Genesis talks about God completing creation on the Seventh Day, there’s suddenly a flashback to the Sixth Day. Now look at the world around us: new species keep evolving, the continents keep shifting, stars are exploding and being reborn and whole galaxies are likely coming into existence the moment you’re reading this. It’s clear creation is still going on. Obviously we know the universe is a lot older than a literal interpretation of time in the Bible would say, and who’s to say what a “day” is for a God that’s been around eons before our Earth with its 24-hour-cycle started rotating? So, basically, my theory is that the entirety of the Bible and all of our history and probably much of our future is part of that flashback, we’re still in the Sixth Day, and the Seventh Day of completion is far ahead of us. Thus our world can’t possibly be perfect yet, since it’s not finished, and shit happening isn’t necessarily God demanding shit so much as chaos still existing. And while we’re just a small part of this universe and logically not of that much significance to God in the grand scheme of things, we are “in God’s image” in the sense we can help create this universe and bring it closer to perfection.
that’s an interesting idea. the first thing that comes to mind, though, is, “then wtf happened with adam and eve and all that shit?” didn’t that come after the seventh day?
obviously i don’t know much about the bible because i haven’t actually read it cover to cover, since every time i pick it up, i get so disgusted by what i find and thinking that people actually worship and believe what’s written in there that i have to put it down.
but yeah that is an interesting idea, even if i don’t personally believe in it and it doesn’t make me not side-eye all that terrible stuff.Source: sirinterrobang
Ok well now I can clearly see what you are asking/stating. The truth is, God doesn’t treat everyone equally. yes he created us, and you might think ‘well why does he treat others better than others’ well thats just it, he doesn’t love other more or less than others, but he does show mercy and love for those who believe in him and worship him. He doesn’t kill directly and I’m glad you mentioned that. The devil is responsible for those bad things, not GOD. and sometimes GOD lets it happen because we need to learn to be better humans. Why should he intervene every time someone bad will do something. We should know better.
i actually meant the “directly killing” part to mean that the idea of god drives thousands of people to kill in god’s name.
and are you saying that the being that was cast from heaven for wanting to give humans free will, knowledge and wisdom does bad things? the stuff i read in the bible said that god was the one passing out disease and death like free t-shirts at a hockey game, not the devil.
i seriously doubt that the people being raped, killed and tortured all over the world are doing it because they “need to learn to be better.” a friend of my brother’s is a devout catholic, if i’m not mistaken, and she has been abused mentally and physically and it’s driving her into a really, really bad state of mind. any god that would do that to “make someone better” is a god unworthy of my praise or the dirt under my shoe. that isn’t a god at all, it’s a demon.Source: sirinterrobang
i’m secular, which is a fancy way of saying i don’t give a shit and am not spiritual or religious at all, but i swing more towards the atheist side. i don’t care about someone’s beliefs, but sometimes i like to ask questions because i really do not understand some things or why people believe some…
I know you were asking Christians and I’m Jewish, but if you want to hear my thoughts on God, I basically see God the way I see nature/the universe: no, it’s not all pleasant and sometimes it’s terrifying, but at the same time we couldn’t exist without it so that deserves some respect. It probably can’t be described as “all loving”, but it’s not “all hating” either (Maimonides, one of the great Jewish philosophers, was against using any adjectives to describe God). For me, worshiping God is more about optimism and thankfulness for creation than anything else.
Also, as far as the Bible goes, it is worth noting that God’s actions become progressively more reasonable as it progresses (goes from destroying almost all life with Noah to destroying a city after arguing with Abraham to threatening to destroy a people but backing off after arguing with Moses to actually arguing to save a city with Jonah, and from my knowledge of the Christian Bible, Jesus seems pretty chill for the most part).
yes thank you for actually being reasonable and answering with how you believe.
i still don’t understand why anyone would look at that and go “that looks like a cool guy i want to worship” but ok.
worshiping nature makes a lot more sense to me than worshiping a god that supposedly knows all, created a species knowing that it would be stupid and do bad shit to the point that he would have to kill them all, and then went and did so anyway. that just.. really fucking rubs me the wrong way. like a really abusive parent times fucking infinity.Source: sirinterrobang